PB Church

PB Church

PB Church

Do you ever wonder if the church is what God designed it to be? Mark has. And as the son of a GARBC Baptist minister, Mark has been exposed to many churches.  

Mark shares that he's never experienced anything like the PB church in his life. Others aren't so sure. What's interesting about the PB Church is that it's a leaderless organization. The PB church isn't trying to recruit you away from your own church. There are no offerings, pastors, or a single building location.
People often ask what PB stands for. Some say it stands for Paul / Barnabus Church. This is really interesting due to their very different approaches to people and situations. Some call it the Pastor / Bishop church which Mark can see why it's called that. It's a church for those in leadership. For sure you'll hear things in the PB church that you will not hear in any other church or seminary. There are some goofy people who call it the "Pain in the Butt" church, which obviously people who say this probably aren't going to heaven. Right?! Some call it the Peanut Butter Church; this is interesting. Some even call it the Pickleball church. You may come up with your own name, which is fine since it's not really about branding; we are just seeking the truth. 

1-1: Paul, Barnabas & The Disagreement That Built Two Churches Instead Of One

What if the most important split in the history of the early church wasn't a failure, a betrayal, or a breakdown — but two strong people who disagreed so completely and so honestly that the only outcome was multiplication? What if the Bible's refusal to tell you who was right about John Mark is not an oversight — but the entire point? And what if the fastest growing church in the world has no building, takes no money, meets on a Thursday, and you didn't even know you were attending until you were already inside it?

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On this first episode of the PB Church podcast, we unpack what it really means to have a contention. Not a disagreement. Not a polite difference of opinion where both sides nod and move on. Not the kind of thing where the amiable gives in because the driver won't stop pushing. The kind of contention where two men who are both right, both called, and both committed to the same mission — simply cannot agree. And so they split. 
And both succeed. And the Bible never tells you who was right. Mark breaks down why the Paul and Barnabas story is not a cautionary tale about conflict — but a masterclass in what happens when two people are secure enough in their calling to divide rather than compromise.
About John Mark — Barnabas's nephew — who dropped out of the first missionary journey, wanted back in for the second, and became the reason two missionary teams existed instead of one. About why the Barnabas people say he succeeded because grace believed in him — and what the Paul people would say if you understood the Paul personality well enough to know
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About the difference between a starfish and a spider — cut a spider in half and you get a dead spider, cut a starfish in half and you get two starfish — and why that is exactly what Paul and Barnabas did. About a church with no building, no membership drive, no offering plate, and no agenda to pull you away from wherever you are already planted. About good cop and bad cop — and why both are necessary, why neither is wrong, and why the tension between them is not a problem to be solved but a design to be understood. About why this church meets 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year — and why you never know when the next service is coming.

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1-2: Nora, The Busboy, & The Team You Never Knew You Were Building

What if the person who shows up when they have every reason not to — one hour of sleep, a sick three-year-old, dragging through a debrief nobody else bothered to attend — is the one who teaches you everything you never learned about teams? What if the most devastating thing someone can say to you isn't a criticism, isn't a confrontation, isn't even a question — but four words spoken in the sweetest voice you've ever heard: Mark, we're a team. And what if the reason those four words hit like a tidal wave is because somewhere deep down, you already knew you were the one who never believed it?

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On this second episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark unpacks the story of Nora — a young mom, one hour of sleep, sick kid at home — who showed up anyway. Not because she had to. Not because anyone would have noticed if she hadn't. But because at fourteen years old, busting tables at her first job, she learned what it costs the other three when one person doesn't come. And she decided, quietly, permanently, that she would never be that person. 
Mark breaks down why that one moment — not a leadership conference, not a vision statement, not a team-building retreat — cracked open something he hadn't been willing to look at for forty years. That he is terrible at building teams. Not because he doesn't care. But because somewhere along the way, he stopped expecting people to show up — and just started doing their jobs for them.
About a twenty-three-year-old who walked into a company, watched a marketing manager and a VP of sales with forty years of experience between them underperform — and quietly absorbed both their jobs inside a year. About why the best team members make the worst team builders — because they never let the gap show long enough for anyone else to grow into it. 
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About a fifteen-foot wave in Hawaii, a daughter-in-law who slammed head-first into the sand like a crumpled accordion, a lifeguard who asked if anyone had read the signs — and what it means when you saw it coming, said nothing, and have to live with that. About warning signs that everyone assumes are for someone else. About Jonathan — five years ago — and why some grief doesn't get unpacked in a single episode, but it still lands in the middle of a story about squirrels and natural selection and whether you can apply that principle to human beings and what it means that part of you wonders. 
And about why a church that doesn't look like a church might be the only place honest enough to ask the questions nobody else will let you finish.

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1-3: Follow My Leader, The Blind Boy, & The Gift You Never Thanked Anyone For

What if empathy isn't what you think it is? What if it isn't love, isn't compassion, isn't even kindness — but something colder, sharper, and more demanding than any of those things? What if a husband and wife can argue about the definition of empathy, look it up, find out who was right, and still end with a husband asking the most honest question in the room: Why would anybody want to have empathy? And what if that question, as uncomfortable as it is, is actually the right place to start?

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On this third episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens a church service with no building, no offering, and no agenda — just a question about what it actually costs to step inside someone else's world and stay there. It begins with a book. A boy. A firecracker. And a moment fifty-one years ago when an eleven-year-old read about another kid who lost his sight because someone else was careless — and something cracked open that never fully closed. 
Mark breaks down why Follow My Leader wasn't just a story about blindness, but a masterclass in what it means to pay for someone else's stupid choice with the rest of your life — and then find a way not to be destroyed by it.About the difference between empathy and compassion — and why conflating them is the reason most people never develop either properly. About a friend named Dwight who lives in China, went to New York, covered his eyes completely, and walked around pretending to be blind just to understand what the world felt like from inside it — and why that sounds insane until you realize it's exactly what empathy requires.
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About keys. Always the keys. And why a blind person's discipline of placing everything in exactly the right spot every single time is either the most practical lesson in the room or the most devastating commentary on the people who refuse to. About a deaf cousin — ten years younger, perpetually frustrated — and what it does to a child to watch someone struggle to be understood by a world that won't slow down long enough to try. About a motivational speaker with no arms and no legs, an Amish man who is blind and has no technology and is somehow still described as amazing, and what it means when the people with the least keep demonstrating the most. 

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1-4: Truth, Love & The Person Who Gets To Decide Which One You're Doing

What if the most dangerous question you could ask in a church isn't about theology, doctrine, or even money — but this: Who gets to decide if you're telling the truth in love? What if the answer is so obvious, so simple, and so completely ignored by every comfortable pulpit in the country that the moment you hear it, you can't unhear it? And what if the person most likely to tell you the truth about yourself isn't your pastor, isn't your best friend, isn't the person who loves you most — but the person who can't stand you?

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On this fourth episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark delivers what most Sunday morning services are specifically designed never to deliver — a message that doesn't make you feel good, doesn't ask for your money, and doesn't need you to come back next week. It starts with a simple question: why was Jesus so brutal on his disciples? Not gentle. Not encouraging. Not affirming. Brutal. Get thee behind me, Satan. Unless you hate your family. 
Eat of my body, drink of my flesh. What pastor is preaching that sermon this Sunday? And more importantly — why aren't they?
About a man named Jonathan who was brilliant, acted stupid on purpose, and explained exactly why — because the dumber people think you are, the less they expect, the less they push, the less they demand. And about what it means that an entire congregation can operate on the same principle without ever admitting it. About truth and love — the phrase every church loves, the standard nobody applies consistently — and why handing the person you're speaking to the power to decide whether you said it in love is the most elegant escape hatch ever built into a belief system.
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About why the biggest churches carry the most fear, protect the biggest brands, and are the least likely to sit across from someone on a podcast without knowing the topic, the audience, and the exit strategy first. About wolves in the church — and the stunning irony of pastors who preach end times warnings about wolves entering the flock while spending every Sunday making sure the flock stays soft, stays feeling good, and stays giving. About Nora, who had something to say and chose not to say it — and what that silence means in a room that just spent twenty minutes talking about what it costs to tell the truth. About idols. Not golden calves. The modern kind.

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1-5: The Plank, The Four, & The Person Who Wants To Fix Everyone But Themselves

What if the most revealing moment in any room isn't when someone fails, breaks down, or walks out — but when someone slides in to protect a person from a consequence they haven't yet earned their way out of? What if the reason you can't help the people around you grow isn't that you don't care enough — but that you care in exactly the wrong direction, at exactly the wrong moment, for exactly the wrong reasons? And what if the person most convinced they understand what's happening in the room is almost always the person who understands it least?

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On this fifth episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark unpacks one of the rawest, most unfiltered conversations in the entire series — a room where Paul shows up, Barnabas pushes back, and nobody in between quite understands why both are necessary. It starts with a simple question about Luke. About sloppiness. About laziness. About what two years of investment looks like when the person being invested in still can't execute a group text. 
And about what it means when someone in the room decides the real problem isn't Luke's follow-through — but the tone in which it was addressed.
About Paul and Barnabas — and why if you understood that story well enough, you'd stop trying to fix Paul and start asking why you keep producing John Marks. About the difference between building a seductive man and building a powerful one — and why those are not the same project, don't use the same tools, and don't produce the same results. About a four on a scale of one to ten — and what it reveals when someone spends their energy on a four instead of on the one plus one they still can't solve.
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About a room full of people who are far more developed than they give themselves credit for — and nowhere near as developed as they believe they are. About why the people who lift you up the most are sometimes the ones doing you the most damage. And about why a church with no building, no collection plate, and no interest in making you feel good about yourself might be the only place honest enough to tell you what everyone else already sees.

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1-6: The Strong's Concordance, The Original Language & The Faith Nobody Taught You To Question

What if the word you've been reading in your Bible your entire life isn't wrong — but it's a translation of a translation of a language that had four different words for love, multiple words for faith, and a precision that the Sunday morning version you've been handed has quietly smoothed over for so long that nobody in the pew even knows what they're missing? What if without faith it is impossible to please God is not the simple sentence you think it is — and what if nobody in the church you attend has ever stopped to ask what the original word for faith actually meant before it became the word you know? And what if the reason pastors don't love it when you go looking is exactly the reason you should?

WANT TO KNOW?

On this sixth episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens with a pastor who preaches the same sermon four weeks in a row — not because he forgot, but because nobody got it yet — and asks the room what they think they're missing. The answer is everything. And that's where it begins. This episode isn't just about the Strong's concordance, the original Greek and Hebrew, or what agape actually means versus fileo versus eros. 
It's about what happens when a husband realizes the adult Sunday school class isn't working, asks permission to go study scripture alone with his wife for one quarter, is genuinely excited when the answer is yes — and then has to sit with the sadness of why he needed permission to do that in the first place.About a graduation gift nobody wanted — a Strong's concordance at seventeen — and what it unlocked forty-five years later about what the Bible actually says underneath what everyone agreed it said. About stewardship in Russia, where the translators couldn't find a Russian word for it — and what the absence of a word in a language might explain about an entire culture. About why people don't love the Bible — not because they don't believe it has answers, but because nobody ever taught them that the surface version and the deep version are two entirely different documents. 
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About Nora flying at seven thousand RPM, sitting perfectly still at two hundred miles an hour, feeling closest to God in the one place she's doing exactly what she was created to do — and what Mark says there's still something much deeper underneath that she hasn't found yet
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And about why a church that hands you a Strong's concordance instead of a sermon, asks you what faith actually means in the original language, and never tells you to stop asking questions — might be the only one that actually trusts you to handle what the Bible really says.

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1-7: What If You're Wrong, The Girl Who Made You Almost Cry & The Question Nobody Asked At One In The Morning

What if the single most powerful question you could ask yourself — not in a therapy session, not in a crisis, not after everything has already fallen apart — but in the middle of a completely normal conversation about a completely ordinary person — is simply this: What if I'm wrong? What if the entire Next Dimension Principle, one of the most significant frameworks Mark has ever built, came from one moment after one conversation where he stopped and said what if you're wrong Mark, what if he actually is coachable — and followed that thought somewhere most people never go? And what if the reason most people never go there isn't that they're stupid, or lazy, or incurious — but that their brain has been trained since childhood to defend instead of discover?

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On this seventh episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens having slept too little, pulled over a hundred and fifty questions from years of notes, come up with four new ones in the seven minutes before the service started, and arrived at one o'clock in the morning asking how do you get people to put salt in the oats. This episode isn't just about baptism, the Baptists, the Catholics, the Amish, and what connects them all in ways nobody in any of those traditions wants to talk about out loud. 
It's about a twenty-one-year-old girl at a pickleball court who signed her first lease, wants to be a nurse, tested as a deep expressive with analytic and driver — and seven minutes into a conversation looked Mark dead in the eyes and asked are you a good dad. And got told no. I suck as a dad. Big time. And didn't know what to do with that answer.
About why people give up when things get tough and others don't — and the answer that came not from a book or a framework but from watching a team, and realizing someone always picks up the pieces, and the person who knows that always lets them. About a retired teacher who stuck around wanting validation, puffed himself up, got asked if he wanted to connect, said about what — and walked away guarded while a twenty-one-year-old stayed for an hour and a half and fought back tears.
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About how you get people to be curious. About how you get people to ask questions that force growth. About how you get people to say what if I'm wrong — and mean it — and follow it somewhere real.

And about why a church that meets at a pickleball court, at one in the morning, in a baby shower conversation, in the seven minutes before anyone else arrives — might be the only one actually asking the questions that matter.

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1-8: Heaven Is A Zombie Apocalypse, A Man Who Might Be An Angel & The Question Every Pastor Is Too Afraid To Ask

What if the one place you're supposed to ask the hardest questions about God, eternity, and what heaven actually looks like — is the one place where those questions get you quietly escorted to the exit? What if the thought you had at 62 that you've never had before — that Christians might be teaching heaven as a kind of holy zombie state with no tears, no growth, no pain — is either the most dangerous idea in the room or the most honest one anyone has said out loud in a church in years? And what if the only place on earth you can actually ask it is a 30-minute podcast that started on Easter Sunday with no offering, no pastor, and absolutely no plan to make you feel comfortable?

WANT TO KNOW?

On this Easter Sunday episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens not with a resurrection sermon but with a question that hit his brain the day before — one he'd never had in 62 years of life. What do Christians actually teach heaven looks like? No pain. No tears. No work. No growth. And if that's true — what exactly is the difference between heaven and being a zombie? This episode isn't just about Easter, the Baptists, or what happens when you die. It's about what happens when you finally say the quiet part out loud.
It's about a year of not caring — and why for one person not caring is growth, and for another it's just who they've always been. About John Nicholson, who came to the church, worked alongside Mark for three months, and said something that stopped the room: "They think you don't care and you really do. They think I care and I really don't." About a man named Joe Reed who showed up at Coffee Connection three weeks in a row, called Mark a seer and a delta, and then disappeared — possibly an angel, possibly not, but Baptists don't believe in that anymore so it probably didn't happen.
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About the fighting being fiercest closest to the enemy camp. About why Christians with no adversity might just not be a threat to anyone. About a rolled-up piece of paper that needs heat, pressure, or force to go flat — and what that has to do with every meaningful thing that has ever changed in your life.

And about Tim's off-the-cuff observation — that the Bible says all tears will be wiped away in the past tense. Which means they existed. Which means something. And which no one has apparently said from a pulpit. Ever.

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1-9: Heaven Figured Out At 62, An 8-Year-Old Who Outpreached Everyone & Why Feeling Safe Might Be The Most Dangerous Thing You Do

What if everything you've been taught about heaven — no tears, no pain, no worry, nothing to care about — sounds less like paradise and more like a zombie? What if the feeling of safety you've been chasing your whole life in your friendships, your faith, and your church is actually the most sophisticated lie you've ever believed? And what if the most evangelistic, most on-fire testimony at an Easter baptism service with 40 people getting dunked didn't come from a pastor, a deacon, or a returning prodigal — but from an 8-year-old girl who didn't get the memo that you're supposed to tone it down?

WANT TO KNOW?

On this episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens with something he figured out about heaven that he's never thought about in 62 years on this planet. This episode isn't just about Easter, baptisms, or what Baptists teach about eternity. It's about what happens when you stop performing caring — and whether the version of you that shows up when you drop the act is actually closer to the truth than the one everyone claps for.
It's about a year of not caring — and the wild logic that if heaven means no tears, no worries, and nothing to be concerned about, then maybe Mark is already living it. About a client who doesn't feel like a client — and what it reveals when nothing gets done about it. About the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" — and why anyone with a working brain has to stop and ask: why would you want flies?
About 17 planned baptisms that turned into 40. About a pastor who plays pickleball in a black wig and loves every second of the attention. 
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About whether feeling safe in a friendship is actually strength — or just the comfort of knowing the other person will never confront you. About why you can feel good and be doing bad. About why your feelings reveal things about you — not about other people. And about an Easter egg hunt at Riverside Retreats that was fun for everyone — and significant for no one.

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1-10: Control, Truth & The Deception We Refuse To See

What if the control you feel…
is real — but not coming from who you think? What if the people who believe they’re being controlled by others…are actually controlled by what others think of them?
And what if the greatest deception isn’t being lied to by someone else —but lying to yourself so well…you actually believe it?

WANT TO KNOW?

On this episode of the PB Church podcast, we unpack something most people never stop to examine:
Control — where it really comes from, and why it’s so hard to escape.
Not surface-level control.
Not obvious manipulation.
But the deeper reality:
People who seek to look good…
are often controlled by their fear of being seen for who they really are.
They don’t just lie to others —they lie to themselves first.
And over time, something dangerous happens:They build an identity.
They convince themselves it’s real.
And they surround themselves with people who reinforce the lie.But underneath it all…They know.
Audio Podcast
About churches that don’t ask for money…
don’t pull you away…
and don’t fit the traditional model.
About asking questions you’re not supposed to ask.
And why sometimes the most important questions…
are the ones no one wants to answer.

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Video Podcast

1-11: Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity, The Song That Will Either Cut You or Free You & Why Your Pastor Won't Do A 30-Minute Podcast

What if the single greatest threat to truth, faith, and real human growth isn't evil — it's stupidity? Not the kind measured by an IQ test, but the kind that happens when a person surrenders their inner independence to a group, a leader, or a movement — and doesn't even know it's happened? What if that's not just a German problem from 1945 — but what's sitting in the pew next to you every Sunday? And what if the only thing that can break through a stone heart isn't a gentler approach, better packaging, or softer language — but a song that says what nobody in your church has the courage to say out loud?

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On this episode of the PB Church podcast, Mark opens with Dietrich Bonhoeffer — a young German pastor who watched an entire nation of poets and thinkers become a collective of cowards and criminals, and concluded the root cause wasn't malice. It was stupidity. Not intellectual stupidity. Moral stupidity. The kind that spreads like an infection under the overwhelming impact of rising power — political or religious — and turns people into mindless tools who are capable of any evil.
completely unable to see that it is evil. Mark has watched this video 20 to 30 times. He still catches something new every time.
It's about the truth that will set you free — and why people don't actually want it. About how every personality type views God through the lens of their own personality, which Mark calls what it actually is: idolatry. The amiable runs to grace. The analytic runs to order. The expressive runs to flags and dancing. The driver runs to fire, brimstone, and the God who can take you out. About Mark's Baptist pastor father who never preached like that — and his driver-amiable mother who absolutely did, making it quietly but unmistakably clear: God can paralyze you. God might take me to get you back in line.
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And about the simplest instruction of the whole episode: Don't make the decision for somebody else. Share it. You don't even have to say you liked it.

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